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Chud4: @Albert:
3rd premise - debunked. Muhammad was a pedophile and you technically are required to worship him, otherwise it is seen as apostasy. Quran 48:13 is one example
More: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcr23P8IjKQ
Albert: @Chud:
This ruling (called hirabah) applies to crimes
committed by armed individuals or groups against civilians--Muslim
or non-Muslim. Different punishments apply depending on the
severity of the crime:In the case of murder or rape, offenders are to
be executed.In the case of armed robbery, offenders' right hands and
left feet are to be cut off.In the case of terrorizing innocent people
offenders are to be jailed in exile.Penalties for lesser offences are
left for the judge to decide.
@Chud: Nigga what? It says "believe in Allah and His Prophet", the shahada clearly states I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.", the verse means to believe in Muhammad as a messenger, but I guess the Christian mentality is that people worship humans like you do
Chud13: @Albert:
Premise 1 still is refutable, because thankfully, Quran 5:33 is not the only Islamic textual source inciting violence against nonbelievers/apostates.
Quran 9:29, Sahih Muslim 4:19:4294, Sahih Bukhari 1:8:387. Don't forget about Jizyah!
And there are many more as well. Not to mention, Islam was historically spread by the sword.
Chud14: @Albert:
You prove the second premise wrong yourself at the very end. That those who do not believe in Muhammad as the messenger of God will be damned to hell. Even doe he was just a single prophet, and not God. So much for supposed "Abrahamic monotheism". Emphasis on the last sentence as well. Muhammad was only a prophet and not a god, but yet the entire religion is centered around him. In Islam, Muhammad is not meant to be doubted, Muhammad is meant to be imitated by all, that all that Muhammad says is right, one could say that Muslims have to be Muhammad-like; like how Christians have to be Christ-like. Examples of verses supporting this in the Quran are 8:20, 3:132, 24:54, 4:79, 59:7, 4:68 and so on and so fourth
Albert: @Chud: didnt think my brainless friend CP from 5 years ago would become a 'teen. Jizyah tax is basically when a non-Muslim has to pay the caliphate a tax so that he can be protected by the Muslims during wars and fighting, how is this a bad thing? You niggas literally charge insane usury just like your jewish overlords so this isn't really a problem compared to what you do
Chud16: @Chud: good point but please don't waste your time arguing with that eurotrash sandnigger larper. He probably gets off knowing he is getting attention, whether it's positive or negative
Chud19: @Albert: I don't know who you are talking about but ok. I'm not whoever your friend is, i don't know if you are joking or if you are being an actual schizo. I only knew of your existence when I discovered the 'ru. To begin with, the Jizyah having to even exist in the first place is already a horrible thing, especially when you consider it's actual contextual usage, being that it is nonbelievers only other choice without getting killed or having to renounce their faith. Nonbelievers in Islamic lands were given only 3 options, which the Quran and authentic Hadiths ordain; convert to Islam, pay the Jizyah or literally die. Also, the "protection" given by Muslim rulers for Jizyah taxpayers was always pretty shitty, it's even debatable if it could be considered protection. Jizyah taxpayers were always considered inferior, even subhuman by Muslim rulers. It wasn't just "oh nonbelievers have to pay tax and get protected" like how you describe. Jizyah taxpayers were still actively persecuted by the state. There are so many problems with jizyah historically that I can't properly listen all of them. I recommend to watch this video: https://youtu.be/lqP3U3RYnkM
Also, interesting claim at the end, considering usury has always been condemned by the Church throughout history. If you do not mind, please provide some evidence.
Chud20: @Chud: Albert himself on his own Twitter has once claimed that his attention whoring personality on the 'ru is made up just to piss people off. So I wouldn't be too surprised, but I still want to let Albert know of the truth, that Islam is a false religion and that Christianity is the truth. I pray and hope that Albert repents and believes the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ in its entirety.
Albert: @Chud: Islam literally believes in freedom of religion as Allah has obviously stated in 2:256
[Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.]. If anyone tries to forcefully convert someone then he is sinful and goes against the command of God. Women, children, the elderly, the clergy, the poor, and those who were unable to work were exempt. Those who opted to join the army were also exempt from paying the tax and poor dhimmis were supported financially by the state. Muslim rulers refunded the jizyah if they failed to protect their non-Muslim subjects. Also I'm talking about the current state of most European and American countries as they now all deal with high interest rates meanwhile in Islam interest in on itself is totally forbidden.
@Chud: Yeah that's regarding the countrywars and Soytan drama but that's long gone now. Obviously I wouldn't change my religion just to piss off 'rutrannies but God bless your intentions brother I like you. I believe in the original Gospel that was sent down to Jesus Christ and I suggest you give the Quran a deeper look so you understand the context of some of the verses you sent. God is great.
Chud27: @Albert:
The "no compulsion" argument is also easily refutable, sorry to tell you that. It is in a way cherry picking and can be debunked with closer analysis of its historical context. To already begin with, the no compulsion verse actually was "revealed" far more earlier than many other verses inciting violence against unbelievers. Examples of such verses are 9:5 and the Jizyah verses we have been going over. This would clearly mean the Quran has contradictions and in no way can be considered inerrant as it has always been claimed to be. The traditional Islamic theological approach to contradictions is to instead consider verses that were revealed more later as more valid. In this case, this leaves no choice for you as there are overwhelming more amounts of calls for killing nonbelievers in the Quran that came after the no compulsion revelation. Not to mention that this itself can also be refuted more simply by observing the fact that Islam was spread via the sword, via violence and forced conversions, by its most faithful believers. For your last point on America and Europe, those have completely apostatized from Christianity in modern times. The faith there is completely dead and whatever remains of Christianity there is completely lobotomized progressivism or just Europeans who simply identify as Christian for cultural or statistical purposes. Not a valid argument as well. Also, sorry Albert, but I've also been catching on. You are very clearly using tactics from moderate Islamic apologia, attempting to subvert me by trying to display the "good" side of Islam, when in reality, these arguments can be refuted by further analyzing the Islamic faith. I've already caught on to your tactics and it does not work.
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Glad it is just about the countrywar and soyTRAN brimstone. Thankful to hear that. And thank you very much as well. May God always bless you too brother, even despite our major differences. I like you as well and you seem like a good person too. For when it comes to the Gospel of Christ, what do you exactly mean by the original Gospel here? The Gospel was not passed down to Jesus, but was from Jesus Himself, who is God. And as for the Quran, I have taken a good look at it over the span of the past year and over this year as well. I have studied more about other faiths in the past. And I see that Islam cannot be true at all, due to how flawed it is theologically in all ways, how wicked and immoral it is (and has been historically) and how generally contradictory it is.
Chud28: I aint no read the comments, cause love science, but I certainly know that albert lost. Like in any other argmument that muslimnigger troon tries to defend.
Chud30: @Chud: 'bert will always lose. Not necessarily because he's a Muslim, (though it's definitely a contributing factor), but because he's a flip flopper. Half the time he's trying to rally Muslims and Jews together against Christians, and the other half he's trying to rally Muslims and Christians against Jews. The end result is Jews, Christians, and self respecting Muslim are all sick of his deceptive nonsense. Christ is king.
Chud35: tldr both are shiitskin religions
one doesnt want you to have fun and wants you to spread islam everywhere
the other encourages you to be some cuck who shouldnt fight back
>rally Muslims and Jews together against Christians
when the fuck did this happen? stop twisting the narrative you fucking kike. Jews are amongst the most vile of the vile, you can see it in their actions. The biggest type of Christians I hate are the Judeo-Christians that worship kikes because "Christianity is a heckin' sect of Judaism actually!!!!". Just know for a fact I'd never side with a Jew in my entire life. Rallying Muslims and Christians together against Jews is my goal for TKD.
Chud42: @Albert: Agree with you here, I have never once seen Mudslimes try to team up with Kikes aganist us. The closest thing I've seen to that was were the roles were reversed. A kike wymyn (likely a tranny) on xitter once posted about how kikes and mudslimes should team up to obliterate us Christians.
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We sure as hell still will never side with your Mohammedan ass, you are all just like kikes, maniacal scheming liars who only wish to exploit us for advantage in your sandnigger desert war. I also don't want any death, but rather faithful and honest conversions. TKC and TMD is the biblical Christian goal.
Chud45: @Chud: Well suit it yourself brother if you don't want to side with us or not, we can achieve TKD on our own.
@Chud:
>exploit us for advantage in your sandnigger desert war
the Palestenian-Israeli conflict is anything but Islamic, its kikes trying to ethnically cleanse ANY and EVERY goyim out there. Palestine itself is an Arab state, not a Muslim state. Eitherway not even Muslims nowadays would fight in the side of the Palestinians but rather fight in the cause of the Jews against fellow Arabs and Muslims (ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc.) as indicated by this trvke toss:
@Chud: kys off-siter xitter tranny I can tell you have a hohol and israeli flag in your bio
Chud47: @Chud: blame Froot the one you trannies worship you retard, not my fault this site can't function properly and has to have 3 million captchas before I can access the site just to get logged out at the end
Chud49: @Chud:
Oh no you won't. There won't be any death, not anymore. Too many innocent lives have been taken by both sides. There won't be TMD or TKD. But rather TMC and TKC. Under the sanctification of Christ, neither of you will have sinful terroristic murderous intents or tendencies no more. I pray everyday for the absolute faithful and honest conversion of Muslims and Jews (including you), and for a peaceful end to be put to the Israeli-Palestinian war.
>Ermmm xir it's not religious at all
It is absolutely both motivated by the satanic false religions of Talmudic Judaism and Islam. Palestine is an Islamic state, both Israel and Palestine have actively participated in the religious cleansing of Christian believers in their lands. IDF and Hamas both despise Christians to death.
Chud50: @Chud: Kikes are beyond saving brother, it's become a racial identity rather than a religion at this point. The Satanic influence is real, literally just open up the Talmud. I myself wasn't a Muslim before so now I know that Islam is the trvth, you just have to search with your heart to understand this.
@Chud: The IDF kill innocent people no matter what religion or race. Hamas doesn't do that, so why would they kill their fellow kin and brothers in race because they're of a different belief?
Chud51: @Chud: Nobody is beyond salvation, Albert. Nobody is reprobate, and no one will ever be. Christ died for ALL sinners. Nobody is reprobate to the free gift of salvation from the Lord Jesus Christ. Mark 2:17, Luke 5:32, Luke 19:10, Romans 5:8, 1 Timothy 1:15, Hebrews 7:25. I know that the Jewish Talmud is completely and absolutely satanic. I have read through the Jewish Talmud, both the Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud. It is evil. The modern day cult that calls itself Judaism is completely demonic and it is a false religion.
I wasn't a Christian before either, I used to be an atheist for around 3 years before finally encountering God in my life. You need to research more about Christianity and allow for yourself to be wrong about Islam. When I researched Islam and even Judaism I allowed myself such a possibility of being wrong, I allowed such a possibility that they could be true. The research simply had shown otherwise; they are both false religions and they are inherently demonic. Again, I pray and hope you will accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. May God bless you brother.
Chud52: @Chud: And most importantly, remember. Salvation is a free gift from the Lord Jesus Christ. Your works will not save you, only Christ's finished work on the cross will save you brother. Know that He loves you and He actively seeks you. John 3:16, Acts 16:31, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9, Romans 6:23
Albert: @Chud: God bless you brother but Islam is anything but demonic. Sure you can look at the extremists and even the modern day people especially Arabia since they're so blinded by cultural beliefs and standards rather than theological rules that they start acting like pre-Islamic pagans rather than real Muslims. Islam in on itself is perfect and I thank God for bestowing this gift upon me and this is the reason why I want to spread it even further, by His own will.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. I am not going to unfairly judge Islam by using extremists or modernists. I am judging Islam theologically, because ultimately, that is what matters, and theology is an area I personally specialize on. I ask that you please watch the video above.
>Islam is perfect
Islam is not a perfect religion, if anything it is way too far from being one. It is extremely flawed in so many ways. It is blind to history, science, archaeology, philosophy and so many more areas. The Quran is packed full of contradictions and mistakes across the place. Your apologists are horrible at explaining these away without making an obvious fool of themselves in front of everyone. Christianity is the perfect faith. Christianity is in line with history, archaeology, science, philosophy and many more other important areas. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
Holy shit, isn't that like, the biggest shabbos goy ever? Have you even looked into these hadiths if they're sahih or not? I did my research on this right now and I'm glad. You just have to take a much deeper look and change your viewpoint
ex:
>Called Ethiopians "raisin heads"
That made me geg irl, but that hadtih in on itself was literally speaking out AGAINST racism but I guess Mr Wood here likes to twist narratives to make Islam look evil o algo
>Broke the promise of his wives that he would stop having sex with his slave girls
Like seriously, this is literal bullshit no offense, it isn't even allowed in Islam. You have to look at the tafsir of the verse, it was clearly ANYTHING but that geg
>Christianity is the perfect faith
ev&oe there's a shit ton of contradictions that have been pointed out for centuries? I mean it's literally 6000 pages I wouldn't be surprised
i troonheart logical fallacies, yes, david wood is an ignorant zionist, but that never means that somehow every single thing he says is immediately invalidated and false.
interesting to see your refutations though, what would you say yourself about the rest of the reasons that wood listed in the video? because those are still pretty damn bad, and again, those 26 reasons aren't the only ones that exist to doubt muhammad either. there are, in fact, many more
>contradictions in christianity
i'm going to be first assuming here you are speaking of contradictions within Scripture. many, and i mean MANY, if not, even ALL have been debunked for the longest time. i assume you have in mind the skeptic's annotated bible, many of its claims have already been debunked over time. also, this is a self own, considering again, that islam claims that muslims are the only true believers of the torah and the gospels. in a way i believe that is a self own.
>islam claims that muslims are the only true believers of the torah and the gospels. in a way i believe that is a self own.
Yeah Muslims believe in the ORIGINAL Torah and Gospel before it was altered by the Jews and the Christians to what it is now, not really a self-own then is it geg
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Quran 5:33 debunks the first premise and there are many more other verses that are like that.
Intentionally ignorant then.
3rd premise - debunked. Muhammad was a pedophile and you technically are required to worship him, otherwise it is seen as apostasy. Quran 48:13 is one example
More: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcr23P8IjKQ
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This ruling (called hirabah) applies to crimes
committed by armed individuals or groups against civilians--Muslim
or non-Muslim. Different punishments apply depending on the
severity of the crime:In the case of murder or rape, offenders are to
be executed.In the case of armed robbery, offenders' right hands and
left feet are to be cut off.In the case of terrorizing innocent people
offenders are to be jailed in exile.Penalties for lesser offences are
left for the judge to decide.
@Chud: Nigga what? It says "believe in Allah and His Prophet", the shahada clearly states I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.", the verse means to believe in Muhammad as a messenger, but I guess the Christian mentality is that people worship humans like you do
Premise 1 still is refutable, because thankfully, Quran 5:33 is not the only Islamic textual source inciting violence against nonbelievers/apostates.
Quran 9:29, Sahih Muslim 4:19:4294, Sahih Bukhari 1:8:387. Don't forget about Jizyah!
And there are many more as well. Not to mention, Islam was historically spread by the sword.
You prove the second premise wrong yourself at the very end. That those who do not believe in Muhammad as the messenger of God will be damned to hell. Even doe he was just a single prophet, and not God. So much for supposed "Abrahamic monotheism". Emphasis on the last sentence as well. Muhammad was only a prophet and not a god, but yet the entire religion is centered around him. In Islam, Muhammad is not meant to be doubted, Muhammad is meant to be imitated by all, that all that Muhammad says is right, one could say that Muslims have to be Muhammad-like; like how Christians have to be Christ-like. Examples of verses supporting this in the Quran are 8:20, 3:132, 24:54, 4:79, 59:7, 4:68 and so on and so fourth
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Also, interesting claim at the end, considering usury has always been condemned by the Church throughout history. If you do not mind, please provide some evidence.
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[Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.]. If anyone tries to forcefully convert someone then he is sinful and goes against the command of God. Women, children, the elderly, the clergy, the poor, and those who were unable to work were exempt. Those who opted to join the army were also exempt from paying the tax and poor dhimmis were supported financially by the state. Muslim rulers refunded the jizyah if they failed to protect their non-Muslim subjects. Also I'm talking about the current state of most European and American countries as they now all deal with high interest rates meanwhile in Islam interest in on itself is totally forbidden.
@Chud: Yeah that's regarding the countrywars and Soytan drama but that's long gone now. Obviously I wouldn't change my religion just to piss off 'rutrannies but God bless your intentions brother I like you. I believe in the original Gospel that was sent down to Jesus Christ and I suggest you give the Quran a deeper look so you understand the context of some of the verses you sent. God is great.
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@Chud:
nigga...
The "no compulsion" argument is also easily refutable, sorry to tell you that. It is in a way cherry picking and can be debunked with closer analysis of its historical context. To already begin with, the no compulsion verse actually was "revealed" far more earlier than many other verses inciting violence against unbelievers. Examples of such verses are 9:5 and the Jizyah verses we have been going over. This would clearly mean the Quran has contradictions and in no way can be considered inerrant as it has always been claimed to be. The traditional Islamic theological approach to contradictions is to instead consider verses that were revealed more later as more valid. In this case, this leaves no choice for you as there are overwhelming more amounts of calls for killing nonbelievers in the Quran that came after the no compulsion revelation. Not to mention that this itself can also be refuted more simply by observing the fact that Islam was spread via the sword, via violence and forced conversions, by its most faithful believers. For your last point on America and Europe, those have completely apostatized from Christianity in modern times. The faith there is completely dead and whatever remains of Christianity there is completely lobotomized progressivism or just Europeans who simply identify as Christian for cultural or statistical purposes. Not a valid argument as well. Also, sorry Albert, but I've also been catching on. You are very clearly using tactics from moderate Islamic apologia, attempting to subvert me by trying to display the "good" side of Islam, when in reality, these arguments can be refuted by further analyzing the Islamic faith. I've already caught on to your tactics and it does not work.
Glad it is just about the countrywar and soyTRAN brimstone. Thankful to hear that. And thank you very much as well. May God always bless you too brother, even despite our major differences. I like you as well and you seem like a good person too. For when it comes to the Gospel of Christ, what do you exactly mean by the original Gospel here? The Gospel was not passed down to Jesus, but was from Jesus Himself, who is God. And as for the Quran, I have taken a good look at it over the span of the past year and over this year as well. I have studied more about other faiths in the past. And I see that Islam cannot be true at all, due to how flawed it is theologically in all ways, how wicked and immoral it is (and has been historically) and how generally contradictory it is.
every damn time
one doesnt want you to have fun and wants you to spread islam everywhere
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when the fuck did this happen? stop twisting the narrative you fucking kike. Jews are amongst the most vile of the vile, you can see it in their actions. The biggest type of Christians I hate are the Judeo-Christians that worship kikes because "Christianity is a heckin' sect of Judaism actually!!!!". Just know for a fact I'd never side with a Jew in my entire life. Rallying Muslims and Christians together against Jews is my goal for TKD.
We sure as hell still will never side with your Mohammedan ass, you are all just like kikes, maniacal scheming liars who only wish to exploit us for advantage in your sandnigger desert war. I also don't want any death, but rather faithful and honest conversions. TKC and TMD is the biblical Christian goal.
@Chud:
the Palestenian-Israeli conflict is anything but Islamic, its kikes trying to ethnically cleanse ANY and EVERY goyim out there. Palestine itself is an Arab state, not a Muslim state. Eitherway not even Muslims nowadays would fight in the side of the Palestinians but rather fight in the cause of the Jews against fellow Arabs and Muslims (ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc.) as indicated by this trvke toss:
@Chud: kys off-siter xitter tranny I can tell you have a hohol and israeli flag in your bio
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#hangnudev
Oh no you won't. There won't be any death, not anymore. Too many innocent lives have been taken by both sides. There won't be TMD or TKD. But rather TMC and TKC. Under the sanctification of Christ, neither of you will have sinful terroristic murderous intents or tendencies no more. I pray everyday for the absolute faithful and honest conversion of Muslims and Jews (including you), and for a peaceful end to be put to the Israeli-Palestinian war.
It is absolutely both motivated by the satanic false religions of Talmudic Judaism and Islam. Palestine is an Islamic state, both Israel and Palestine have actively participated in the religious cleansing of Christian believers in their lands. IDF and Hamas both despise Christians to death.
@Chud: The IDF kill innocent people no matter what religion or race. Hamas doesn't do that, so why would they kill their fellow kin and brothers in race because they're of a different belief?
I wasn't a Christian before either, I used to be an atheist for around 3 years before finally encountering God in my life. You need to research more about Christianity and allow for yourself to be wrong about Islam. When I researched Islam and even Judaism I allowed myself such a possibility of being wrong, I allowed such a possibility that they could be true. The research simply had shown otherwise; they are both false religions and they are inherently demonic. Again, I pray and hope you will accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. May God bless you brother.
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I wouldn't be so sure of that.
I am not going to unfairly judge Islam by using extremists or modernists. I am judging Islam theologically, because ultimately, that is what matters, and theology is an area I personally specialize on. I ask that you please watch the video above.
Islam is not a perfect religion, if anything it is way too far from being one. It is extremely flawed in so many ways. It is blind to history, science, archaeology, philosophy and so many more areas. The Quran is packed full of contradictions and mistakes across the place. Your apologists are horrible at explaining these away without making an obvious fool of themselves in front of everyone. Christianity is the perfect faith. Christianity is in line with history, archaeology, science, philosophy and many more other important areas. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
Holy shit, isn't that like, the biggest shabbos goy ever? Have you even looked into these hadiths if they're sahih or not? I did my research on this right now and I'm glad. You just have to take a much deeper look and change your viewpoint
ex:
That made me geg irl, but that hadtih in on itself was literally speaking out AGAINST racism but I guess Mr Wood here likes to twist narratives to make Islam look evil o algo
Like seriously, this is literal bullshit no offense, it isn't even allowed in Islam. You have to look at the tafsir of the verse, it was clearly ANYTHING but that geg
ev&oe there's a shit ton of contradictions that have been pointed out for centuries? I mean it's literally 6000 pages I wouldn't be surprised
i troonheart logical fallacies, yes, david wood is an ignorant zionist, but that never means that somehow every single thing he says is immediately invalidated and false.
interesting to see your refutations though, what would you say yourself about the rest of the reasons that wood listed in the video? because those are still pretty damn bad, and again, those 26 reasons aren't the only ones that exist to doubt muhammad either. there are, in fact, many more
i'm going to be first assuming here you are speaking of contradictions within Scripture. many, and i mean MANY, if not, even ALL have been debunked for the longest time. i assume you have in mind the skeptic's annotated bible, many of its claims have already been debunked over time. also, this is a self own, considering again, that islam claims that muslims are the only true believers of the torah and the gospels. in a way i believe that is a self own.
Yeah Muslims believe in the ORIGINAL Torah and Gospel before it was altered by the Jews and the Christians to what it is now, not really a self-own then is it geg
Christianity is plague and a curse, Islam is the biggest lie ever told
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